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Fandom tags? Or no fandom tags?
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We've been approached several times now about adding fandom tags, seeing as SWS is a large community and tons of post per day. So, we want your opinion. Fandom tags or just leave it how it is.

The good thing about tags is, sometimes people miss post from their fandom friends and this would give them the ability to find them easily. What this bored mod has been doing is compiling a possible list of tags to add. I'd love your input of what tags to have as well concerning fandoms, seeing as I don't know all of them. You can view them below the lj cut below. So leave your opinions. if there's enough 'yay's, then we will start adding them as soon as possible - (I'm going to give it about three days so that people can get their opinions and tag suggestions in.

Edit: clarity on the soon as possible: by this it intentionally meant: as soon as possible being when things are hammered out and a system is devised. and three days meaning: three days for people to get their opinions in (not three days and we're making a decision)

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Tags are a tricky thing. I think we're going to see times where one fandom is really popular and then fizzles out for awhile. (Sometimes returning again, sometimes not.)

I think for communities where the idea is to try to meet people specifically, tags work better.

But here where it's very free form play, I think it could get a tad cluttered. I'd rather not have fandom tags for this community, honestly.

I am extremely in favor and I don't think a tagging system would be as confusing as some people are making it out to be.

For one thing, even as a basic community, sws gets 1000 tags! Even if each obscure fandom was given a separate tag, I don't think we would reach a thousand. So I don't think fad casts that come in or out are enough of an issue to disregard a tagging system altogether. Not to mentioned that over the 3ish years I've been lurking/posting here, a lot of the fads have been recurring periodically (mythology, Disney). If a fandom dies a tag can always be removed, but I don't think that kind of maintenance would be SO URGENT. (Even off the top of our heads, including the list you offered and the replies so far, we haven't even hit 50 fandoms, much less 1000.) I didn't think this meant a layout change, so I don't anticipate having to scroll by a big honking list of tags to get to the posts.

I'm not sure that AUs or different versions would affect the way a character's post is tagged at all? I mean, I'm assuming that
a [Harry Potter] tag would include
- Harry Potter and the gang as they are in canon.
- Slytherin!Harry or never-a-Death-Eater!Draco
- Adult!Harry from the epilogue
- Epilogue kids, adult!Epilogue kids
- Marauders, AU!Marauders
- any OCs created for the Harry Potter universe
- Dumbledore at any age...
- Hogwarts Founders/ anyone from HP history
- Durmstrang or Beauxbatons students
- Any fictional verses based on HP canon (an American wizarding school/family)

That still seems coherent to me and could work the same in other fandoms. (Depending on how specific you choose to go a [Marvel] tag could include comic!Spider-man, movie!Spider-man, cartoon!Spider-man, movie!X-Men, comic!X-men, etc.)

I don't have a problem with people using two tags if necessary. For example if you're playing a character from one canon (say Supernatural) in a verse that crosses over with another canon (like Vampire Diaries). If both canons are relevant, use both tags. If only one is relevant (I know there's a Skins' Tony who lives in Ohio/only tags with Glee cast) then use one tag.

Personally I would love to have tags as an easy way to quickly see what castmates have posted. Only because a lot of us have established CR from canon or playing, and it would be nice to have an easier way to keep up with that. I still enjoy going through every page on the comm and would never in a million years give up cross-canon posting because of tags, because those are some of my favorite threads.

So PLEASE let's go forward with this. The only thing I would suggest is not sorting tags by medium (tv/book/movie/video game/comic), only because so many fandoms are included in more than one. book: harry potter, movie: harry potter, tv: heroes, comic: heroes, book: vampire diaries, tv: vampire diaries -- and so on.

Sorry for the tl;dr! The mods have done an amazing job so far, so I'm confident that whatever decision you make will be awesome. ♥

I agree with just about everything you've stated here.

Your system is certainly the best suggestion so far as a way of handling the inordinate amount of tags that will probably crop up once people are given the opportunity. If it remains as broad as possible, it could work.

Regardless of the tag limit given to a community, the manner and method of making tags could bog the system down. That's to say... if the mods let players pick.

For me, it's not that I think it's impossible to do in any form, it's that I think it's unnecessary. I've been playing here for years, like yourself, and have never needed a tag system. But that's my personal experience. In the end, if they're instituted, I'll just choose not to use them. Unless we're not allowed to opt out, I have a feeling that's what a lot of us will do.

Very much yay! It's a great idea.

I'm saying no because dear_mun's tagging system is cluttered and annoying and it seems mostly unnecessary. Plus, the new ability to search through a community by poster seems like a much better way to stalk keep up with canonmates.

OOC journal posting, rather than all my character ones

My vote is definitely no. It's unnecessary, and with as many obscure fandoms as there are in the comm, just having a catch-all miscellaneous tag will just pretty much be the same as someone going through the posts one by one. It doesn't seem fair with the flux of fandom popularities that go through this comm, and honestly would just cause more clutter and work for everyone, and could probably lead to in-fighting.

It just seems way more trouble than it's worth.

I don't know if I like the idea too much. What about the people who play and don't have a popular fandom or there are only two or three who sometimes play in a fandom? Could you have a "miscellaneous" tag? Or something? Because this seems almost like it could limit the community, especially since some of the fandoms I play in with my other muses are not on this list, nor are popular. It seems like such a waste of time to have to worry about tagging, though I do understand why it would be nice. I just feel SWS is too big, has too high of a overturn rate, and has more obscure fandoms then people might realize.

Edited at 2010-11-29 02:52 am (UTC)

My vote is yes. While I do see several people have valid points, mainly on how to sort the tags, what fandoms should be included, and so forth, which I do agree need to be sorted out before this little Pandora's Box gets cracked open, overall, I feel it is a wonderful idea and will be a help rather than a hindrance.

I'm voting yes, and here's why:

This is an incredibly large community. We get an average of 200-400 posts a day, and honestly? It moves so quickly, it's difficult to keep track of something if you forget to bookmark, or can't remember who it was you were tagging or when.

I think having the tags be for the OP would be the best approach, because usually, you're not going into a post to find their commentors, you're going in to respond to the OP.

So-called "elitism" isn't a problem, because, as several have said already, that will occur with or without tags. My pup here does cross-fandom all the time, but sometimes, I just want to find fellow Harry Potter muses for her to talk to. There are other people who will not post out of their fandom anyway, and creating fandom tags won't affect that one way or the other. The current system isn't making people post to other fandoms, nor should it.

The key to this system is a good set of tags used as an organizational tool. That's all it will be. No one likes change; when the "ooc", "meta", "mod post" tags were added, I was leery, but it makes it easier to find those things if you need to. Given that we don't know who our canon mates are all of the time (and at the moment, there are 28,253 members), this would be a good way to find people from your canon. Or another canon outside of yours.

Is implementing a system like this going to be a lot of work? No doubt. Will it clutter posts? No more than many posts already are, with the "_____ fandom = <3" already in use. Will it pay off in the long run? Yes, I believe it will.

I don't think the moderators have any intention of "forcing" anyone to use the tags. They didn't with the previous added tags. People now use those of their own volition and learned to do it by example, not by brute force. And I highly doubt the moderators would have brought it up in the first place if they didn't know what the workload would entail.

Also, the tagging system doesn't need to be a complete thing when launched. Tags can be added and modified over time as necessary. As I understand it, the tags list in this post is just a starting point, and communities have a very large number of tag "slots" to work with. I doubt that the tags list would be filled up immediately, and I'm sure we as a community can come up with tags that would cover our needs without getting too vague or too specific. As amtheotherone said above me, the [Harry Potter] tag would cover anything that fell under the general fandom, I'm sure, with no need to specify book or movie, AU, future, or otherwise. It's in the Harry Potter fandom and that's that.

This is to address a need, one that is readily apparent from the numerous posts already up with fandom-ish markers in place. Is this a free play community? Yes, it is. Does it need to remain forever stagnant as one set thing? No, obviously not, as it has already evolved far past its originated purpose. Don't forget, this community didn't start as a roleplay community.

My opposition to the idea isn't based in my dislike of change, just my awareness of how change has gone here in the past and the fact that I think it's unnecessary (which is based on my opinion and experience, something I admit is different than others'). Not everything has been handled as well as the ooc/meta/mod post changes, either by players, moderators, or both.

But, like I said above, as long as we're not forced to use them, in the end I'll just go about my business.

I'm going to have to go with yes on this one. It's a massive comm with an almost insane amount of posts per day. I think that in the long run it could prove to be a huge help.

Also, putting in the request for a Musicals or a Plays/Musicals tag.

Coming over from the post, where I said no.

Still voting a strong no. With the number of fandoms, the AUs, the crack, the basic general mess, this will be more of a problem than it could ever be worth.

For example - here. I'm playing a Nolanverse (film) version based out of a comics property, with some of my AU tweaks added. What's my tag?

edited to add that adding a fandom tag won't necessarily HELP me interact with fandoms I'm not in - in fact, I'll tend to weed people out, whereas now, I'm more likely to check out anyone who seems interesting. That's a big minus there, too.

Edited at 2010-11-29 08:40 am (UTC)

I strongly agree with this, especially the last point made.

I still vote no very strongly. If you lose someone you're threading with, just go back into your e-mail and pull up the post from the notif. I think the only tags we should add are OTA/closed.

I also think people are being redundant with the "x fandom = <3" bit. Obviously your fandom-mates will know what you're talking about and if they want to tag, they will.

I like the personal journal tag because that way, I know who not to be a Bigger Douchebag to and like Dr. Crane up there said, I'll avoid them as well as anyone using fandom-specific tags.

I've personally been thinking that fandom tags would be useful. And that idea that fandom OCs should be tagged under their fandom rather than just as OCs is a good one, too. Characters with a completely original background with no fandom ties prior to the comm should be the ones to get the 'original' tag.

I don't know about verse tags, though. There are a lot of them, and they can come and go, depending on how many people play in them. Also, they sometimes change names and split off, like the Brokenverse splitting into R+R and Fractured and the rest.

Two points I feel it's necessary to make.

1) Having a miscellaneous/other tag sort of defeats the purpose. I think if anything is instituted, take into mind amtheotherone's comment and just use all the tag slots that are given.

2) While I might not be in favor of the idea, if it goes into use (as it honestly seems like it will), my opposition won't keep me from helping out (if we players are involved).

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I think it's a good idea. They'd be no need in having to read through hundreds of posts you would ignore.

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