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Fandom tags? Or no fandom tags?
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We've been approached several times now about adding fandom tags, seeing as SWS is a large community and tons of post per day. So, we want your opinion. Fandom tags or just leave it how it is.

The good thing about tags is, sometimes people miss post from their fandom friends and this would give them the ability to find them easily. What this bored mod has been doing is compiling a possible list of tags to add. I'd love your input of what tags to have as well concerning fandoms, seeing as I don't know all of them. You can view them below the lj cut below. So leave your opinions. if there's enough 'yay's, then we will start adding them as soon as possible - (I'm going to give it about three days so that people can get their opinions and tag suggestions in.

Edit: clarity on the soon as possible: by this it intentionally meant: as soon as possible being when things are hammered out and a system is devised. and three days meaning: three days for people to get their opinions in (not three days and we're making a decision)

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A vote yes from me. I'm one of those people who sometimes can't get on for a few days and end up scrolling through pages to find the various fandom posts I missed. I understand that people worry about elitism and less cross fandom stuff but I think that goes on regardless and whether this will make it easier or not, people are still going to do it.

Basically, yes. :)

I think that would be good. This is my request for a Smallville tag, or just maybe DC Comics / Marvel tags?

I love the idea of a tagging system. As someone who reads every single post every day to make sure I don't miss things--and still do--it'd be nice to have some tags to cheat a bit, especially if I miss a day.

As for what to do about 'fad' fandoms, I think it should follow the Dear_mun style. If there's a few muses showing up and posting regularly over a small period of time, it should warrant its own tag. When we fill up or get close to it, just drop the tags from the fandoms which are no longer active enough, and repeat.

I agree with the OTA tag suggestion. Original fandom tag only need be used in an...original fandom, not in an OC of an existing fandom. (And occasionally there might need to be, say, a 'crack' fandom for when we get talking planets)

Edited at 2010-11-28 11:40 pm (UTC)

What's the litmus test? One week where only one character from a fandom posts? BUt what if that post has 550 responses? It's fine if the mods come up with some sort of hard and fast line to draw about this, but it has to be applied evenly all the time.

Well, it doesn't have to, but it really should.

Edit: Technically anytime any character does something non-canon, it's crack. Once the Doctor, for example, takes on a companion he didn't have in canon... it's crack. And that's really most of the characters on SWS. Adding a crack tag would just add another layer of headaches.

Edited at 2010-11-28 11:44 pm (UTC)

Should have read all the comments first... I'm seeing a lot of people concerned it'll be used for people to single out who not to reply to, but it seems to me anyone who would do that would do it with or without tags. I kind of assume most posts are open to cross-fandom whatever, and I re to whatever looks interesting, But the comm updates so fast, and I'm always afraid I'll miss posts from my character's own fandom, trying to sort through pages and pages and pages of posts. Being able to find those easily wouldn't stop me from replying to others, too. It also helps because I've seen characters post and I couldn't tell what fandom they were from due to obscure journal names and lack of info on their own journals.

Also, as a relatively new comm member, I didn't know what 'OTA' meant at first, so when I first looked in here I wasn't sure who I could and couldn't respond to.

Also, yes. I agree with this. In fact, with the fandom tags, I'd say that would actually give me more time to check the fandom I'm looking for and still go and tag interesting cross fandom ones

I vote yes to fandom tags!

Can we get a "Veronica Mars" one too though? I've noticed a lot more RPers for it cropping up in SWS lately. :O And then maybe a catch-all "obscure" tag.

Personally, I think this discussion has made one thing very clear. Despite the popularity of this idea, I don't think these tags are something that need to be added "as soon as possible." Moderators themselves have left comments here indicating they aren't quite sure how to handle all the fine details of this idea. I understand it's just now being put up for discussion. That's a really good thing, and I think it's garnered a lot of great discussion. Obviously quite a few people really enjoy this idea and consider it potentially helpful for their play in the community. But I don't think there's any reason to just gallop into tagging "as soon as possible." Get all the fine details worked out first so it doesn't just make more work for everyone in the long run.

Seconded, if seconding matters at all. There's a lot to discuss, if this is going to be open for discussion. If it's not... well, the mods have already asked for our input.

I think it might be better to separate Whedonverse into the actual shows. For Whoniverse I can understand it being combined because they do all take place in the same canon universe. Combining Whedonverse, however, is more practical in memes and such because there's usually a relatively small concentration of those with interest in any of the separate shows. But it's a lot more varied in a community at large, and not everyone interested in Firefly is intersted in Buffy; the same can even be said of those interested in Angel and those interested in Buffy. Just personally I think it would be best to separate it into distinct canons, those being Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel the Series, Dollhouse, Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, and Firefly/Serenity.

Also, would any tagging system used apply just to the original post or to the responses as well? I've had posts where characters from five different fandoms responded.

I can see where it could be either incredibly useful or incredibly confusing. And I have no earthly idea where my own character would even fall. He's a werewolf OC, not from any fandom, but most of his stuff has ended up with angel and demon muses. I'd tend to tag him under "mythology," but I don't know...

This is my question as well. Sam here's an OC without a fandom, but he has verses that are part of Heroes and Whoniverse, too. Will it be warranted that I tag his posts with a Heroes and Whoniverse tag?

It's a bad idea, all around. If someone wants to find a post from their fandom bad enough, they'll search for it. Like people have been doing on this comm for years now. If not, there's nothing stopping them from posting something of their own to bait a response. While yes, this community is large, I don't think it's as big as something like dear_mun, where tags are necessary to sort out the chaos.

Also, there will definitely be problems as to what fandoms get which tags when. In theory, merging dying or dead fandoms into a miscellaneous tag sounds nice in theory, in practice, I bet you it's going to be a headache for staff, because fandoms fluctuate in activity here. One week there might be a ton of muses in a fad and it's agreed that this fandom should get a tag. The next week, maybe three posts are coming in from that fandom, so it's thrown in miscellaneous. Maybe a month later, there's another explosion of muses from that fandom, and you're stuck with the problem of creating that tag, and tagging subsequent posts into that fandom. The cycle continues from then. Are the mods willing to untag and retag every post from that fandom? Will only the posts with the flavor of the month get that tag, or is someone going to sort through all the misc. posts in order to put the old ones back into that fandom?

There's no reason to change the tags unless the tag list is full. Once they are, drop the tags that are no longer active until they are active again, generally speaking there should never be a time when so many fandoms are active all tags will be unable to be removed.

Tags are a tricky thing. I think we're going to see times where one fandom is really popular and then fizzles out for awhile. (Sometimes returning again, sometimes not.)

I think for communities where the idea is to try to meet people specifically, tags work better.

But here where it's very free form play, I think it could get a tad cluttered. I'd rather not have fandom tags for this community, honestly.

I am extremely in favor and I don't think a tagging system would be as confusing as some people are making it out to be.

For one thing, even as a basic community, sws gets 1000 tags! Even if each obscure fandom was given a separate tag, I don't think we would reach a thousand. So I don't think fad casts that come in or out are enough of an issue to disregard a tagging system altogether. Not to mentioned that over the 3ish years I've been lurking/posting here, a lot of the fads have been recurring periodically (mythology, Disney). If a fandom dies a tag can always be removed, but I don't think that kind of maintenance would be SO URGENT. (Even off the top of our heads, including the list you offered and the replies so far, we haven't even hit 50 fandoms, much less 1000.) I didn't think this meant a layout change, so I don't anticipate having to scroll by a big honking list of tags to get to the posts.

I'm not sure that AUs or different versions would affect the way a character's post is tagged at all? I mean, I'm assuming that
a [Harry Potter] tag would include
- Harry Potter and the gang as they are in canon.
- Slytherin!Harry or never-a-Death-Eater!Draco
- Adult!Harry from the epilogue
- Epilogue kids, adult!Epilogue kids
- Marauders, AU!Marauders
- any OCs created for the Harry Potter universe
- Dumbledore at any age...
- Hogwarts Founders/ anyone from HP history
- Durmstrang or Beauxbatons students
- Any fictional verses based on HP canon (an American wizarding school/family)

That still seems coherent to me and could work the same in other fandoms. (Depending on how specific you choose to go a [Marvel] tag could include comic!Spider-man, movie!Spider-man, cartoon!Spider-man, movie!X-Men, comic!X-men, etc.)

I don't have a problem with people using two tags if necessary. For example if you're playing a character from one canon (say Supernatural) in a verse that crosses over with another canon (like Vampire Diaries). If both canons are relevant, use both tags. If only one is relevant (I know there's a Skins' Tony who lives in Ohio/only tags with Glee cast) then use one tag.

Personally I would love to have tags as an easy way to quickly see what castmates have posted. Only because a lot of us have established CR from canon or playing, and it would be nice to have an easier way to keep up with that. I still enjoy going through every page on the comm and would never in a million years give up cross-canon posting because of tags, because those are some of my favorite threads.

So PLEASE let's go forward with this. The only thing I would suggest is not sorting tags by medium (tv/book/movie/video game/comic), only because so many fandoms are included in more than one. book: harry potter, movie: harry potter, tv: heroes, comic: heroes, book: vampire diaries, tv: vampire diaries -- and so on.

Sorry for the tl;dr! The mods have done an amazing job so far, so I'm confident that whatever decision you make will be awesome. ♥

I agree with just about everything you've stated here.

Very much yay! It's a great idea.

I'm saying no because dear_mun's tagging system is cluttered and annoying and it seems mostly unnecessary. Plus, the new ability to search through a community by poster seems like a much better way to stalk keep up with canonmates.

OOC journal posting, rather than all my character ones

My vote is definitely no. It's unnecessary, and with as many obscure fandoms as there are in the comm, just having a catch-all miscellaneous tag will just pretty much be the same as someone going through the posts one by one. It doesn't seem fair with the flux of fandom popularities that go through this comm, and honestly would just cause more clutter and work for everyone, and could probably lead to in-fighting.

It just seems way more trouble than it's worth.

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